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So, I’ve seen this one floating around in Right Wing spaces recently. A few enlightened Ubermensch chuds have begun pulling the curtain back on today’s cultural zeitgeist: the remnants of Christianity’s inertia finally swirling the toilet bowl. Some of them are purity spiraling, seeking fresh blood after the recent successful assault on conservatism et al, while others are part of a largely anti-Christian coalition that is forming on the Right. Anyway, it’s pretty clear what the intention is. BLM is Le Bad, and equating the Christians of 0-300 AD to them is this nice little rhetorical jab that makes for a great 30 second tiktok soundbite.
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Or, post a picture with a defaced Roman statue and a snarky little iCaption about Dead Jews on Sticks underneath and you’re well on your way to a Phobophile repub.
I don’t think most of the people who say this literally mean it. That is a pretty hard position to defend, as we will see. Instead, they are trying to say that Christianity has always gotten in the way of European civilization even since its early days, the ones that are typically off-limits for discussions especially in the Prot-saturated (and therefore Early Church illiterate) Internet. As in, most anti-Christians are Americans that grew up in one of the last Protestant background generations and therefore aren’t equipped to deal with much Church history beyond the year 1500.
But, is there any merit to this claim at all?
I’ll throw the away team a bone and start with the (rather abstract) similarities, before moving into the differences and what conclusions can be drawn from all of the above.
TLDR: Read the title.
Similarities between the Early Church and Black Lives Matter
Yes, there are similarities- as can really be the case when comparing any mass movement. Here are some that immediately come to mind:
A new religion forms in the backwater of a continent-spanning Empire.
Christianity sprouted in Judea, a rural third-string province of the Roman Empire at it’s height. Judea was a troublesome, perpetually rebellious place that sought the arrival of a warrior king (“The Messiah”) that would deliver them from the yoke of the Romans. This was, of course, after a series of occupiers long before the Romans that made the indigenous people extremely noncompliant to whichever overlord occupied them for that particular century. It was a place Roman citizens (including Pontius Pilate) were sent to be punished: it was hot, distant, foreign, dangerous at times, and there was very little in terms of career advancement. Imagine joining the Army and getting sent off to the middle of Nebraska.
Similarly, “Woke” or whatever we’re calling the BLM religion, originated in the American south and its inner cities- the worst parts of the country. The term comes from an AAVE (African American Vernacular English) slang concerning remaining “conscious” of the way blacks are treated in the US and across the world. You can add a dash of Yakub-ism “melaninin is a superpower” BS into this too:
This was a unifying war cry for black nationalists emerging in the 1960s and 70s with the Black Panthers, the 5%ers, the Black Israelites, the Black Egyptians, the Malcom X people, whatever. Since then, Woke has evolved into a xenophilic, decentralized “religion” that involves a priest caste extorting the laity in exchange for absolution:
This religion does contain some rather interesting anthropological quirks. The most interesting is that the American blacks who founded Woke are a (sad) branch of English and therefore Christian culture. This is woven into the DNA of Wokeism: there are martyrs (St. Floyd the Inhaler), sacraments (welfare and driveby shootings), confessionals:
holy relics, sacred writings, really everything but Communi-
oh.
However, Wokeism doesn’t really share the same practical elements as Christianity. It is a religion where laziness, apathy, and inaction are considered moral positives. You don’t go somewhere every Sunday to practice being Woke. There aren’t really congregations or a unified clergy, nor a Lenten season where one gives up showing up to work on time for 40 days or something. You certainly don’t pray to anything except your bong. Instead, admission into Woke is more about who you are rather than what you think. This is why entrance into the religion is styled as an “Awakening” of what already existed within you rather than a soteriological becoming something new a la baptism.
Side note: hmmm… what other indigenous pre/post Christian religion does that sound like? Read more about how American blacks are quite similar to Viking Age Scandinavian raiders here.
Non-Black converts (really just the whites, tho I don’t think there is a universal Woke opinion on non-Black clergy) assume the fetal position upon admittance. They are the checking accounts that fuel the elite Black Vanguard’s trips to Cancun and Doordash orders. Some can be ordained as “allies”, emissaries and missionaries that go out into the world and preach the Good News to anyone that will listen. An essential process for the whites in this religion revolves around public recanting of heresy, proclamations of faith, calls to action and otherwise mobilizing to be visible and aggressive (aggressive in Le Longhouse way).
We even have the modern equivalent of flagellants (Christians that would whip themselves to demonstrate piety, ask for forgiveness, etc. During the Black Plague, they thought they could “absorb” the pain the Plague would bring so they traveled from city to city whipping themselves nearly unto death. Ironically, this helped spread the disease).
It remains to be seen if the indigenous Germanic tribes of the continent will kill these missionaries as their ancestors killed the first ones.
This religion subverts, antagonizes, destroys, or otherwise does not conform to the religion of said empire. It is clear that a paradigm shift is occurring to a new culture with a new religion.
It’s funny because, depending on which Pagan you talk to, the inverse is true: “erm, actually everything cool from Christianity came from Pagans! The First Crusade was actually manned by secret Pagans who just wanted a good fight and they were actually so pious that they only nominally converted for material wealth!”
You can read more about Right Wing Pagan historical revisionist claims here
I digress.
What is true, however, is that the early Christians were quite zealous converts. The Book of the Acts of the Apostles (available in the New Testament) reports myriad miracles including speaking in tongues, instantly striking people dead, easily withstanding torture, etc. Moreover, Christians were (are) called to live radically different lives from their pagan counterparts.
Dr. Rodney Stark had a really good chapter about this in The Victory of Reason. He postulates (🤓) that the early Christians far outperformed pagans during calamities like plagues because Christians treated their sick, greatly increasing their odds of survival. Meanwhile, pagan Romans threw the fresh corpses into the gutters of ancient Rome and left the infected to their own devices. Yes, including immediate family, children, and spouses. He draw the mortality rate conclusion from the available information found in Roman morgues, cemeteries, etc.
Another thing the early Christians did was care for the poor. As I’ve written about ad naseum, this was actually a big deal in the Ancient World. Creating a religion about love was as foreign to Ancients as creating one about humor, sleeping, or baseball. The Ancient Romans typically cared for their family members (the entire family, including somewhat distant relatives), but the idea of caring for the beggars, lepers, misfits, outcasts, etc. was not only foreign but offensive. After all, surely they’d done something to warrant that lot in life. The Christians were the first and only of their time to take up the mantle of caring for anyone. Having all possessions in common, they quickly developed massive wealth reserves to effectively lower the poverty rate in a dozen or so Ancient cities. Remember, a disproportionate amount of first generation converts were nobility. They weren’t chipping in the ancient equivalent of 20 bucks in the offering plate, they were liquidating entire estates and using that money to bail Christians out of jail, feed the poor, establish proto-hospitals, that sort of thing.
This became somewhat of an embarrassment to the pagan Romans, who clearly saw the societal advantages this strategy reaped. Even (pagan) Emperor Julian wrote in a letter:
We ought then to share our money with all people, but more generously with the good, and with the helpless and poor so as to suffice for their need.
And I will assert, even though it be paradoxical to say so, that it would be a pious act to share our clothes and food even with the wicked. For it is to the humanity in a person that we give, and not to their moral character. Hence I think that even those who are shut up in prison have a right to the same sort of care, since this kind of philanthropy will not hinder justice.…
For it is disgraceful that, when no Jew ever has to beg, and the impious Galileans support not only their own poor but ours as well, all men see our people lack aid from us.
But, lets get to what people really mean when they talk early Christians: destroying pagan culture on display in statues, frescoes, reliefs, temples, etc.
This (Orthodox) Youtuber has a short video that explains why this happened, which I will paraphrase below.
1. If Paganism is wrong, the statues are evil:
Consider the implications of a world where everything is exactly as the New Testament claims. Jesus is truly the Son of a Triune God who lived a perfect life and was crucified before defeating death and rising from the dead. What then, to make of Pagan statues? At best, they are visual manifestations of a broken culture from misled people. At worst, they are straight up demonic. Seriously. Our tendency to scoff at such conclusions is the result of living in a “nothing ever happens” sanitized bubble. We’re expected to say something like, “okay, maybe Jesus was a teacher but He didn’t do all that magic bullshit” like Rick Sanchez. In the Ancient world, people were typically tuned in to spiritual warfare and their own souls.
Besides, many of the nastiest tendencies of the Ancient World manifested themselves in and around these statues and temples: ritual human sacrifice, torture, orgies, you get the idea. Especially if you are a king or ruler, the choice is clear. You’re responsible for the wellbeing of your people, and that includes their spiritual wellbeing. Leaving the statues up is inflicting grievous spiritual harm on the people who trust you to guide them.
Also, Christians are literally commanded by God to not tolerate false images in a Christian land:
Exodus 20:3-5:
You shall have no other gods before Me. You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them
By this point, Rome was well on its way to being Christianized. Why should its citizens tolerate the remnants of pagan society visible in their streets, in their temples, at their stadiums, etc?
Side note: the claims that “frantic Christian mobs tore down statues limb from limb” like the original Twitter posts said are straight up retarded. We have many tens of thousands of surviving, intact pieces of pre-Christian art. In fact, it is almost always the Christians who preserved them. This theme follows the Christians wherever they took the faith. It’s why we have any knowledge of the Prose Eddas, Beowulf, the Havamal, and other northwestern European cultural texts that were preserved from oral tradition. When Christians did deface artwork, it was often only parts and pieces. The meme photo from the Twitter thread literally shows a statue that is 90% intact. The same cannot be said of Christian art that encountered pagans.
In fact, there wouldn’t be these qualms about the Vikings destroying Christian artifacts in the Lindisfarne raid, for example. That’s Le masculine and based. Crying about this is a prime example of the “heads I win, tails you lose” mentality that comes from spending all day online in a bubble.
2. The art is symbolic of the mistreatment of Christians:
This is something that online pagans try to downplay, even Mr. Sect. They claim that the Roman persecution of Christians really wasn’t that bad, and that people like Nero were outliers. I’m willing to see a shade of “righteous martyr" propaganda in the Early Church history, but there is a wealth of historical evidence that the Christians were treated pretty awfully by Pagans for at least a few centuries. The difference is, this occurred in 200 AD, when governments weren’t strong enough to consistently enforce “exterminate all Christians everywhere always” edicts even if they wanted to. Honestly, the treatment of Christians in the empire depended on local and regional sentiments and rulers. Overall, their treatment oscillated from “vilified scapegoats” to “Christobunga every one of them you can find”. Many lives of the saints attest to the open death sentence for being caught practicing. In the Orthodox Divine Liturgy, the Deacon still tells the laity to guard the doors of the church right before communion (the Eucharist) is served. This is a holdover from a time when Christians had to literally guard the doors to keep Roman soldiers from discovering what they were doing. After all, the Romans thought they were cannibals that ate bodies. I would speculate that most Romans had a mild distaste for Christianity as something foreign and weird, there typically wasn’t a rabid hatred- especially because the Roman polytheist religion(s) hardly inspired zealousness the way Christianity did.
Anyway, much of the persecution of Christians happened around this artwork. It was quite common, for example, to force them to kneel beside a statue or inside a temple and renounce or they’d get bleachscoped on the spot.
Imagine a world where the Right Wing “wins” and there are a bunch of statues of Trayvon Martin everywhere, you can recall times where you saw friends and family executed in front of them. Why would you keep those up after you win?
3. “Art” had a very different connotation in the Ancient World:
It was very common for people in the Ancient World to destroy art anyway, religion aside. They remodeled buildings, painted over frescoes, put up better statues, etc. To them, the past wasn’t so distant. It was accessible in the way you probably don’t feel bad about throwing out something from 2010. Christians also did this to Christian artwork, it’s just how ancient people were. Hell, the Chinese used to use bricks from the Great Wall for construction until the 1970s. The concept of a “museum”, or preserving old stuff because its old, took centuries to have much purchase in the minds of ordinary people who still lived amongst the ruins of the early Ancient world.
Pearl clutching about the destruction of ancient artwork is a modern (Victorian) innovation. While I am also inclined to clutch my pearls, it must be understood that no such reservations existed on either side in the brutal Ancient World. This was a time when wars between peoples meant entire nations would be wiped out down to the children. When conflict began, even intra-Roman “conflict” like that of the Christians and pagans, it was going to get nasty. Well, for the Christians anyway.
4. Pagans destroyed Christian artwork at an industrial scale:
Almost nothing remains from the pre-Constantine (300) era artwork. Again, this is just what Ancient people did. But, you don’t hear about the widespread destruction of Christian artwork and relics (even when it occurs today).
5. There was already a precedent to destroy idolatrous artwork from the evil peoples conquered by the Israelites:
From IconReader:
This king of Judah gives a scriptural precedent for the physical destruction of idols (2 Kings 18-20). King Hezekiah is glorified because, in order to restore true worship of God in his kingdom, he “removed the high places and broke the sacred pillars, cut down the wooden image and broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made…”; and as Scripture explains, the righteous king did these things because “he held fast to the Lord; he did not depart from following Him, but kept His commandments, which the Lord had commanded Moses.”
You can read the whole IconReader article about Ancient saints that destroyed icons here.
However, we do see this with American blacks today. Their assault on the prior Empire’s culture and artwork is ferocious, to say the least:
I don’t think their iconoclast assault on the civic religion of America has really much in common with what was discussed above tho.
Zealous converts try to spread their message through any means possible: martyrdom, property destruction, public demonstrations of piety.
One issue that the Early Church had was seeking martyrdom. This can be a little hard to understand in context of today’s neutered, spiritually morose and lethargic Christianity. Back in the day, however, martyrdom was the “highest honor” one could receive. In the Early Church, martyrdom was an easy ticket to sainthood- especially if you were tortured beforehand or otherwise had an opportunity to stop it and said no. It is clear that God was at work amongst the early martyrs. Here’s a few examples (note that many are women, atypical for the Ancient world):
Saints Perpetua and Felicity: Perpetua was a pregnant woman who asked to give birth early so that she and her child might not “miss” the execution of several Christians rounded up by the Romans. She miraculously did so, and “The young gladiator who was to execute Saint Perpetua was inexperienced and did not kill her with the first blow. She herself took his hand and guided it to her throat, and so she received the crown of martyrdom. This occurred in about the year 203”.
Saint Barbara:
Quote from the Orthodox Church of America (OCA) website reveals much about the attitude of early Christians:
They beat Saint Barbara fiercely: they struck her with rawhide, and rubbed her wounds with a hair cloth to increase her pain. By night Saint Barbara prayed fervently to her Heavenly Bridegroom, and the Savior Himself appeared and healed her wounds. Then they subjected the saint to new, and even more frightful torments.
In the crowd where the martyr was tortured was the virtuous Christian woman Juliana, an inhabitant of Heliopolis. Her heart was filled with sympathy for the voluntary martyrdom of the beautiful and illustrious maiden. Juliana also wanted to suffer for Christ. She began to denounce the torturers in a loud voice, and they seized her.
Both martyrs were tortured for a long time. Their bodies were raked and wounded with hooks, and then they were led naked through the city amidst derision and jeers. Through the prayers of Saint Barbara the Lord sent an angel who covered the nakedness of the holy martyrs with a splendid robe. Then the steadfast confessors of Christ, Saints Barbara and Juliana, were beheaded. Dioscorus himself executed Saint Barbara. The wrath of God was not slow to punish both torturers, Martianus and Dioscorus. They were killed after being struck by lightning.
Saint Justin “Martyr”: Yes, he’s literally called Justin Martyr. He was a Christian theologian that basically so enraged his pagan and Jewish (notice the distinction) interlocutors that they sperged out and had him killed for making mincemeat of Imperial court philosophers.
Saint Stephen: The first ever martyr offers some interesting words to the Jews about to stone him in Acts 7:51-53, included here as one more piece of evidence that Judaism and Christianity are two different religions:
You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it”
One more anecdote about hundreds of Christians: According to Droge and Tabor, "in 185 the proconsul of Asia, Arrius Antoninus, was approached by a group of Christians demanding to be executed.
Why was this important to the Early Church? Well, remember the entire religion revolves around a guy that was tortured and refused to recant. Martyrdom was the “final test” for the individuals involved as well as the religion itself. It was proof that the Christians were certified, solid in the clutch and not folding under pressure. 💯. Many converted upon seeing the relish with which the early Christians devoured martyrdom. Shii light.
So, people were way too zealous about this. They used to try to force their own martyrdom, as if it were a button you could press and instantly warp to heaven whenever you felt like it. They would go up to Roman guards, for example, and poke them with sticks so that the guards would cut them down on the spot.
It got so bad that the Council of Elvira (306) explicitly told Christians to stop suicide bombing into Pagan idols so they would be killed. Canon 60 says "If someone smashes an idol and is then punished by death, he or she may not be placed in the list of martyrs, since such action is not sanctioned by the Scriptures or by the apostles”. It doesn’t get much clearer than that.
The Early Church had to clarify that martyrdom was something (a blessing) that came your way, not something you stood on the periphery of to invoke it.
Similarly, many people want to appear as martyrs today. They even try to create their own holy martyrs in really pathetic ways:
The point of these pictures is to make you feel bad for them. They’re effectively throwing pity parties in public areas so that people will gawk and ask why they’re so sad and agitated. Trying to “out pathetic” your opponents might appear to be residually Christian, but let me again quote the joy with which Saint Juliana went to her (certain) death:
Her heart was filled with sympathy for the voluntary martyrdom of the beautiful and illustrious maiden. Juliana also wanted to suffer for Christ. She began to denounce the torturers in a loud voice, and they seized her.
The host empire fails to stop the spread of this religion, beginning a freefall and eventually adopting the new religion as its state religion.
Yeah, I’m kinda getting bored tbh. I’m not really gonna say anything interesting here, we all know what happened with the Roman Empire adopting Christianity and today’s elites converting to Woke:
So, how are they different?
Different Actions
The monkey people are aggressive. They seek out confrontation, they show up at right-leaning politicians’ (a critically endangered species) houses, they shoot their opponents in the street. They’ve been whipped into a frothing frenzy, stemmed only by their relatively high standard of living. Remember when they ambushed old people in the streets because they were white, even pulling white truckers out of their cabs when they stopped for the road-blocking protests?
What did we just read about the early Christians? They were basically model citizens. They helped the poor citizens of provinces that, at times, killed them at every opportunity. Along with Jesus commanding His followers to “render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”, Paul straight up tells them to tolerate the government in charge of them in Romans 13.1:
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God
This is obviously a scripture that requires much study, but here Paul is explicitly talking about the Romans. The playbook here was to not give the Romans a reason to hate/kill you while you pray for better conditions. Hardly reminiscent of BLM, I daresay. Remember, Christianity is a religion that places Love above everything else (a bold choice for the Ancients).
1 Corinthians 13.13: 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
Perhaps this is the greatest difference between Christianity and Woke. Christianity is a religion of love, even at great cost to oneself. Woke is a religion of (anti-White, anti-Christian) hatred.
Different Intentions
What do each of these religions seek to accomplish? The Christians of their time wanted, mostly, to be left alone. Sure, you had your Ancient-era street preachers. Of course, these existed for the pagans too (Acts 17.16-21):
16 Now while Paul waited for them at Athens, his spirit was provoked within him when he saw that the city was [e]given over to idols. 17 Therefore he reasoned in the synagogue with the Jews and with the Gentile worshipers, and in the marketplace daily with those who happened to be there. 18 [f]Then certain Epicurean and Stoic (Lmao) philosophers encountered him. And some said, “What does this [g]babbler want to say?”
Others said, “He seems to be a proclaimer of foreign gods,” because he preached to them Jesus and the resurrection.
19 And they took him and brought him to the [h]Areopagus, saying, “May we know what this new doctrine is of which you speak? 20 For you are bringing some strange things to our ears. Therefore we want to know what these things mean.” 21 For all the Athenians and the foreigners who were there spent their time in nothing else but either to tell or to hear some new thing.
This might be an annoyance for a non-Christian, but it wasn’t like you were in any particular danger by not being a Christian (for a few centuries anyway, around 500 there were some persecutions of Bagans, such as the unfortunate murder of universally beloved philosopher Hypatia by a Christian mob spurred on by a Bishop in 415).
The Woke people want complete physical and racial annihilation of their opponents, down to the babies. In a way, this is the old-school total war of the Ancient world making a return in a new clash of civilizations. They want to live in a world where whites and white adjacent culture (including Christianity) straight up do not exist anymore. This is why I call it a death cult. They don’t typically have a lot of kids, they are bitter and depressed, and they want to kill lots of people. Think about how ravenously they devoured the news that Trump was shot.
Different Values
Explained above. The two are diametrically opposed. Some fencesitters might try to reconcile the two with Le “Jesus loved everyone” approach, but one is clearly a movement of love and the other of hatred.
Different Impact on History:
One thing that Bagans like to say is that Christianity was somehow the “final blow” to preventing Roman collapse. Of course, this contrasts with other Bagans who say that Christianity was adopted as a “universally foreign” religion so that all the different peoples of the Empire would start with a clean slate, thus uniting and saving Rome.
I’m not really impressed by either of these rather utilitarian theories. It’s always more complex than that, you don’t just click a button like a Paradox game where everyone converts for one uniform reason and intention.
Either way, by every conceivable metric Christianity certainly did not bring about the “end” of Roman dominance or prestige. In fact, the coming Christian (Byzantine) empire surpassed the original (stagnant) Roman republic and empire in a few ways. For example, the Romans made essentially zero technological innovations during their millennia+ years of power. That’s a conversation for a different time tho. It’s just a really weak argument to say that Christianity somehow brought Rome to its knees (bringing Empires to knees is Nietzschean btw, you can read about how Jesus can be considered an Ubermensch here).
Alternatively, Woke is certainly the herald of the beginning of the end for the American empire. Unless you think that it will usher in some second wind like Christianity did which.. erm..
I doubt…
Woke is symbolic of the fact that the old system is buckling, the old institutions are just simply not equipped for today’s world and conditions. I think highly of the American Founding Fathers, but they certainly could not envision a world where illiterate, violent blacks dominate culture and politics.
Also, didn’t Le everything good in Christianity secretly come from Paganism? I (mostly) disagree, but there was certainly not the guttural outright rejection of any Pagan contributions that we see today with Woke. They are attempting to disassemble white/European/Christian culture at the molecular level. In fact, the word “racist” really just means “anathema”. This makes sense when you consider all of the legitimately insane things called racist in today’s world because they are tangentially white. Like, I guess I can see how farmers’ markets, math, safety, and showing up on time are tangentially white. And, for our new state religion, if it’s white it ain’t right.
Conclusion because this longpost needs one
Calling the Early Christian church “Ancient Black Lives Matter” is a malicious polemic that is driven by a conclusion (“I don’t like Christianity so I need to find things most people don’t like to equate it to”) instead of the evidence. We looked at how the Early Church operated, what (scant) similarities they share, and compared and contrasted to BLM. I also directly addressed Le statues and explained why the Early Christians acted the way they did around them.
You can connect any two mass movements if you are willing to get abstract (read: disingenuous) enough. I mean, watch this:
Are the 1930s Nazis BLM too because they’re destroying shit they don’t like from a prior regime?
What about post-Soviet states defacing statues of Lenin?
Hopefully, you can see how this comparison is just silly and only exists because some anti-Christians want to form the weakest possible link for rhetorical points.
Okay, first of all, the ancient world did not have “orgies”. There is zero evidence that the Dionysian Orgy involved any sort of sexual element, it was much more akin to something like the Germanic spear dance. Just want to throw that out there. Human sacrifice, like other forms of sacrifice, is ritualized slaughter and among the Indo-Europeans was generally performed on criminals, was captives, homosexuals, and other disreputable people. Also, it was not common, it was an extraordinary religious activity. I don’t see why you think it is significantly worse than certain practices Christians did like burning people at the stake.
> What then, to make of Pagan statues? At best, they are visual manifestations of a broken culture from misled people. At worst, they are straight up demonic […] By this point, Rome was well on its way to being Christianized. Why should its citizens tolerate the remnants of pagan society visible in their streets, in their temples, at their stadiums, etc?
Okay, so Early Christians WERE the ancient BLM, it’s just that you don’t believe in the core beliefs of BLM but do believe in the core beliefs of Christianity. Destroying works of art that they associated with an unwholesome past that had to be buried. Alienating people from their demon-worshipping ancestors. Also, defacing art is in some ways worse than destroying it entirely, because it is an act of deliberate mutilation. Pagans, who had no value placed on the crucifix, melted it down for gold and other materials, not to pwn the Christcucks. When a Christian bashes the nose off of Augustus or etches a crucifix into his skull, he is telling the whole world that Caesar lost, and Christ won.
> The art is symbolic of the mistreatment of Christians
Yes, and the statues of Columbus and Robert E. Lee and now Thomas Jefferson are symbolic of the mistreatment towards BIPOCs. You are literally explaining exactly why Christians were like the ancient BLM, and titling this the contrary. It would make sense for someone to want to destroy the martyrs of foreigners like Trayvon Martin, but to want to destroy the statues of the virtuous emperors and heroes of your ancestors is clearly a product of subversion. Either you must conclude that, or that Christians actually recognized themselves as a foreign para-society which writhed its way into the dying imperial core. Germanicus, for example, was a hero of Rome, not a persecutor of Christians. Do you think the Christians who vandalized his statue even knew who he was? Probably not. Maybe they didn’t even speak Latin... Many Greeklings and Jews among the Christians. They just saw him as a Caesar and hated him for it.
And why shouldn’t Romans persecute Christians, who you admit are diametrically opposed to Roman traditional culture and religion and want to set it on its head? While the Christians recruited prostitutes and tax collectors and criminals to their cause, the religiously pious and good-natured people stuck to their gods in the face of civilizational decadence.
> Almost nothing remains from the pre-Constantine (300) era artwork. Again, this is just what Ancient people did. But, you don’t hear about the widespread destruction of Christian artwork and relics (even when it occurs today).
Christians didn’t make any good artwork anyways. Also, this isn’t about the sanctity of art. I’m not the Pearl-clutching type over destroying artwork, it’s the motives behind it. Christians were obviously being encouraged to identify with the Israelites over their own ancestors, and to view their ancestors as akin to the enemies of the Israelites. So they were encouraged to destroy what remained of the world their ancestors built. They were also operating on heavy resentment for the people who had perfectly rational reasons not to like them in the past. It was an act of revenge just as BLM today seeks vengeance because we taught their ancestors to eat with a fork and knife. You see this later on too, among the Anglo-Saxons missionaries would paint Christian Anglos as Israelites and their ancestors as enemies of Israel.
The use of martyrdom to allegedly garner sympathy, gaining traction through gibs to the poor, and heavy in-group networking to bribe politicians and whatnot heavily are also things we see today as very Jewwy and left-Machiavellian. It’s not necessarily bad, you do what you have to do I guess, but it demonstrates that Christianity’s spread was not some sort of intellectual victory. They outplayed the Pagan religious strata who weren’t even playing at first at all because as you said, they were not as zealous. They had no immune system to protect against proselytizing religions. Also, they had to stave off other foreign cults and were literally going bankrupt by the late empire due to these religious changes.
And frankly, I am yet to see evidence that martyrdom actually played a large role in the spread of Christianity. It is clearly one of the stupidest things Christians do, literally asking to be killed. This is suicide by any other name. Maybe it played a small role but clearly these other factors like networking and charity to the poor were more impactful on society. To traditional societies, the greatest thing is heroic virtue, not martyrdom. They’re almost polar opposites.
> In fact, the coming Christian (Byzantine) empire surpassed the original (stagnant) Roman republic and empire in a few ways. For example, the Romans made essentially zero technological innovations during their millennia+ years of power.
The Romans probably came the closest of any culture in human history to industrializing before the English in the 1700s. Nobody before ~1500 made a lot of technological innovations so it’s very stupid to argue this. Byzantines will never be a real woman— I mean Roman! Btw. And they were scumbags.
>Nazis, Lenin etc
Destroying people who were obviously progressive and unique for their time is not the same as destroying people who were ordinary in their historical context.
TLDR BLM co exist as surrogate religions and a lot of these traits are just evident in religious conflict writ-large. So a lot of these criticisms are really just “Christianity participated in a religious conflict with pagans!” and, yeah, no shit.