I found this quite an enamoring read as my family fought for the confederacy all those years back. I do hope you will delve more into the civil war in due time.
A not-insignificant part of why Southerners were so concerned about the abolitionist movement was because of the chaos that broke out in Saint-Domingue, later Haiti. They felt that if the present system broke down as the system did there during the revolution in France it would inevitably lead to a racial war of annihilation.
A big “gotcha” people cite are the states’ declarations of secession which reportedly cite the preservation slavery as an explicit cause for secession. They do not. They cite northern agitation for slaves to rise up or for White Southerners to be attacked in the name of abolition as a reason for secession. Such threats were real; the extremist newspaper “The Liberator,” with a small but very influential circulation, repeatedly cried that “6,000,000 white southerners must die so that slavery can be abolished.”
This is statistical nonsense. Slaves were largely rural dwellers while poor whites lived in cities. Urban life was unhealthy for all races. Poor city dwellers had a shorter life expectancy, had a worse diet and were unable to grow their own food. The comparison is between urban and rural dwellers not poor whites snd slavers.
One thing that people don’t realize is how the slave system actually worked in America, because it’s not all the same in every country.
In the United/Confederate States, slavery worked on a task-based system. How this works is that every slave was given a single task as his workload for the day. Sow these seeds, pick this much cotton, hang this tobacco, whatever. That one task, which probably took a few hours, consisted of his only required workload that day. Anything else he did, like pick extra, or tend the gardens, or repair the fences, etc. was overtime and he was paid for it. That overtime money was free to be used however he liked. He could even invest it in other businesses or start a business of his own. Many slaves started private businesses as blacksmiths or stable-keepers and all the money they earned from those businesses, they could keep.
Eventually they could earn enough money to buy their manumission, and many blacks did so. The 10% of blacks that got freed weren’t always freed out of the kindness of ole massa’s heart, they were freed because they earned it. The offer was always on the table, they just had to reach out and take it.
I'm not going to dig into everything wrong here, but I will take a shot at the most laughable idea.
"Doing some beer math, you can certainly conclude that less than half the blacks in the US were enslaved- accounting for the children of slaves and also slaves who were freed."
Less than half of blacks in 1860 were enslaved? Lol. Right on the wikipedia page you cited it says there were 4 million slaves in 1860. Below I've linked a census source from 1860 showing there were about half a million free blacks nationwide. Did you really write a full article about slavery without knowing basic stuff like roughly how many free vs enslaved black people there were in the US?
I'd love to make fun of the rest of your article with similar spite, but otherwise it's mostly factual, if obviously biased towards slavery. Hilarious that despite that you cringe at fucking Alexander Stephens. If you think slavery is good, these are your guys, sorry! Guess you just got some sort of PTSD from libs constantly quoting him lol.
Also your constant reflexive "of all races" is so fucking funny, reminiscent of some facebook boomer "irish slaves" meme. Dude, they were black people. From Africa. Some were heavily intermixed with whites, but that's pretty much it. "All" races? Do you think they were enslaving the Chinese?
Also, maybe some normielib is gonna have their brain exploded by learning slaves were better nourished than most European peasants or poor northern factory workers (fact check: true). But any history nerd with more knowledge than "there were more free black people" Layne (all of them) knows that shit, that's just the decades-old Time on the Cross thesis. The biggest issue with slaves wasn't malnourishment, it was heavy abuse from slaveholders-- they were whipped pretty frequently, rape was so common African Americans are 25% white today, and there's good evidence that pregnant slaves were heavily overworked. You analogize them to farm animals. Dude, do you know how we treat broiler chickens? Factory farmed pigs? Not the best road to go down in terms of analogies for slavery.
Anyways, you seem more intelligent than some of the retard rightoids out there. 110 IQ, maybe. Go read some more wikipedia articles and stop acting like a politician, always trying to spin every factoid to benefit the party line. You seem marginally more interested in truth than the average groyper out there at least.
Exactly my thoughts. Except for the rape part- the white DNA in modern blacks isnt due to rape. Most master-slave relationships were consensual. Why wouldnt a slave woman with no prospects fresh outta Africa want to get with a rich white Chad?
Nice to see I'm still living rent free in your head! Still find your post adorable to this day. I love how you boldly assume that free blacks were the majority using the barest conjecture and without double-checking in any way. I also think getting triggered over Stephens is hilarious. Have a nice day, Layne, and I mean that genuinely. Hopefully you one day find a girl as retarded as you.
Slavery never went away, the bankers and government just got a monopoly on it. Try not paying your property taxes for just one year. Private slavery was, on the whole, more human and more humane than any faceless Bureaucracy can ever be.
I wonder how many men on here would start shouting if the plight of the modern man that has led to incel culture and glorification of Andrew Tate was treated this flippantly. Actually, I do know, there would be outrage. Stop trying to downplay slavery and instead try to build a better society for everyone. Stop wasting time with bogus racist talking points.
There wasn’t a single fact presented in this article. Second, I’m not sure who is shrieking. Starting off with a slavery bad, but saying they were all basically beloved family member are two very different depictions of that institution.
I did lol, half your links do not go where you say they go except for the two books. Your beer math makes no sense. You use the initial number of slaves from 1620 and say there weren’t that many slaves? According to the U.S census in 1860, there were over 3 million slaves https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_census. While those that were moved over here during the slave trade may have been moved elsewhere, this did not mean a small slave population. So yeah, do better work before being smug and using “proof-text” methodology.
Part 2..
Really interesting post, I would be very interested in a part two.
Also, it's funny, just this morning I was wondering when the next substack essay would get posted.
Your wish is my command
I found this quite an enamoring read as my family fought for the confederacy all those years back. I do hope you will delve more into the civil war in due time.
A not-insignificant part of why Southerners were so concerned about the abolitionist movement was because of the chaos that broke out in Saint-Domingue, later Haiti. They felt that if the present system broke down as the system did there during the revolution in France it would inevitably lead to a racial war of annihilation.
A big “gotcha” people cite are the states’ declarations of secession which reportedly cite the preservation slavery as an explicit cause for secession. They do not. They cite northern agitation for slaves to rise up or for White Southerners to be attacked in the name of abolition as a reason for secession. Such threats were real; the extremist newspaper “The Liberator,” with a small but very influential circulation, repeatedly cried that “6,000,000 white southerners must die so that slavery can be abolished.”
Yes, plz make part 2. U ever watch alt hypes video on slavery? Lot of good pasta in it.
-Slaves had high life expectancy for the time
-Slaves were on average taller than poor whites, while today AA’s are shorter, implying better nutrition
-Few slaves reported being whipped
For knowing the truth?
How can a Persian say such things? You should read the Bundahishn!
Where can I watch alt hype?
There's an archive of all his videos somewhere on internet archives but I watched them all and stopped going so now I cant find it
But a lot of them still work on his BitChute
This is statistical nonsense. Slaves were largely rural dwellers while poor whites lived in cities. Urban life was unhealthy for all races. Poor city dwellers had a shorter life expectancy, had a worse diet and were unable to grow their own food. The comparison is between urban and rural dwellers not poor whites snd slavers.
Yeah I need more civil war essays pronto sweetie 💅🏿
I look forward to a point or two about jews dominating the slave trade. Thanks in advance!
One thing that people don’t realize is how the slave system actually worked in America, because it’s not all the same in every country.
In the United/Confederate States, slavery worked on a task-based system. How this works is that every slave was given a single task as his workload for the day. Sow these seeds, pick this much cotton, hang this tobacco, whatever. That one task, which probably took a few hours, consisted of his only required workload that day. Anything else he did, like pick extra, or tend the gardens, or repair the fences, etc. was overtime and he was paid for it. That overtime money was free to be used however he liked. He could even invest it in other businesses or start a business of his own. Many slaves started private businesses as blacksmiths or stable-keepers and all the money they earned from those businesses, they could keep.
Eventually they could earn enough money to buy their manumission, and many blacks did so. The 10% of blacks that got freed weren’t always freed out of the kindness of ole massa’s heart, they were freed because they earned it. The offer was always on the table, they just had to reach out and take it.
Please do a second part.
I'm not going to dig into everything wrong here, but I will take a shot at the most laughable idea.
"Doing some beer math, you can certainly conclude that less than half the blacks in the US were enslaved- accounting for the children of slaves and also slaves who were freed."
Less than half of blacks in 1860 were enslaved? Lol. Right on the wikipedia page you cited it says there were 4 million slaves in 1860. Below I've linked a census source from 1860 showing there were about half a million free blacks nationwide. Did you really write a full article about slavery without knowing basic stuff like roughly how many free vs enslaved black people there were in the US?
https://www.ncpedia.org/sites/default/files/census_stats_1790-1860.pdf
I'd love to make fun of the rest of your article with similar spite, but otherwise it's mostly factual, if obviously biased towards slavery. Hilarious that despite that you cringe at fucking Alexander Stephens. If you think slavery is good, these are your guys, sorry! Guess you just got some sort of PTSD from libs constantly quoting him lol.
Also your constant reflexive "of all races" is so fucking funny, reminiscent of some facebook boomer "irish slaves" meme. Dude, they were black people. From Africa. Some were heavily intermixed with whites, but that's pretty much it. "All" races? Do you think they were enslaving the Chinese?
Also, maybe some normielib is gonna have their brain exploded by learning slaves were better nourished than most European peasants or poor northern factory workers (fact check: true). But any history nerd with more knowledge than "there were more free black people" Layne (all of them) knows that shit, that's just the decades-old Time on the Cross thesis. The biggest issue with slaves wasn't malnourishment, it was heavy abuse from slaveholders-- they were whipped pretty frequently, rape was so common African Americans are 25% white today, and there's good evidence that pregnant slaves were heavily overworked. You analogize them to farm animals. Dude, do you know how we treat broiler chickens? Factory farmed pigs? Not the best road to go down in terms of analogies for slavery.
Anyways, you seem more intelligent than some of the retard rightoids out there. 110 IQ, maybe. Go read some more wikipedia articles and stop acting like a politician, always trying to spin every factoid to benefit the party line. You seem marginally more interested in truth than the average groyper out there at least.
Haven’t heard any good ideas come from lefties in quite some time
Exactly my thoughts. Except for the rape part- the white DNA in modern blacks isnt due to rape. Most master-slave relationships were consensual. Why wouldnt a slave woman with no prospects fresh outta Africa want to get with a rich white Chad?
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lmaoooo retard rightoids, I’m so stealing that from you
Remembering this retarded comment today. Teehee!
Nice to see I'm still living rent free in your head! Still find your post adorable to this day. I love how you boldly assume that free blacks were the majority using the barest conjecture and without double-checking in any way. I also think getting triggered over Stephens is hilarious. Have a nice day, Layne, and I mean that genuinely. Hopefully you one day find a girl as retarded as you.
More like this post got picked up on the algorithm again and I saw your comment scrolling past others. Sad!
You got owned here, ya know.
Idk importing a bunch of blacks to work for jews and undercut white workers is pretty bad.
Slavery never went away, the bankers and government just got a monopoly on it. Try not paying your property taxes for just one year. Private slavery was, on the whole, more human and more humane than any faceless Bureaucracy can ever be.
And they convinced you it isn't slavery.
They had to be around black people constantly, with maybe one or two whites ever speaking to them
Hey @laynearchive ? Did you ever follow up with a part 2?
I did not, should I?
Yes please, especially in light of the new article out by James Knox the Polk out of you.
can i ask if this is satire?
If you capitalize the first letter of your sentence, perhaps.
I wonder how many men on here would start shouting if the plight of the modern man that has led to incel culture and glorification of Andrew Tate was treated this flippantly. Actually, I do know, there would be outrage. Stop trying to downplay slavery and instead try to build a better society for everyone. Stop wasting time with bogus racist talking points.
1) shrieking doesn’t change the facts
2) literally the first paragraph is acknowledging that slavery was bad
Lmao
There wasn’t a single fact presented in this article. Second, I’m not sure who is shrieking. Starting off with a slavery bad, but saying they were all basically beloved family member are two very different depictions of that institution.
Read the article before commenting dude.
I did lol, half your links do not go where you say they go except for the two books. Your beer math makes no sense. You use the initial number of slaves from 1620 and say there weren’t that many slaves? According to the U.S census in 1860, there were over 3 million slaves https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860_United_States_census. While those that were moved over here during the slave trade may have been moved elsewhere, this did not mean a small slave population. So yeah, do better work before being smug and using “proof-text” methodology.