Sorry, Chuds: I still like Tradwives, Christianity, Big Families, Capitalism, and America.
Literally just let people Fauching enjoy things..
I think the Dissident Right is suffering from a condition that has no name. So, I’m sharting one out: internet poisoning or perhaps memetic poisoning. The gist is simple: the internet almost always portrays an idea, movement, person, or really anything in its absolute best or worst possible light. Internet poisoning is the process by which someone is only ever able to think about something in those terms, using their experience on the internet as their mental vantage point. I actually touched on this in one of my previous posts:
People on iFunny cannot possibly entertain someone saying they’re Orthodox without a whole slew of imaginary baggage. They think I’m some sort of tradlarper, putting on the Orthodox jersey because I like the aesthetic and I want to be contrarian to both sides of the Prot/Cath debate. They can only understand someone’s RELIGION in terms of internet arguments and style points. See what I mean? They treat these major life decisions in terms of how their fellow terminally online retards will perceive them. Of course, this is sometimes reinforced by this generation’s Ortho Crusaders ignorantly arguing with anyone and everyone in the comment section. Look, treating people like that on iFunny is sort of justified- I guess. But, it exists in a closed feedback loop because its a bunch of iFunniers arguing with each other in their own little subculture. They’re an iFunnier before they’re Orthodox, and their Orthodoxy exists in the iFunny subculture. Real Orthodoxy happens in a church. Real homesteading happens outside. Real fitness happens in a gym. None of it happens by arguing, acting smug, or flexing on iFunny. You get what I mean.
from 10 Years on iFunny: A Reflection on that Stupid Yellow App
Hopefully, you can plug this into something you like that other people don’t because of their internet poisoning on the topic.
Perhaps I am a victim of internet poisoning myself in my quite popular post Anime is a disease! I doubt it though, considering my exposure to primary sources:
Anyway, that’s not what this post is about. This post is about several topics that I think the Dissident Right has internet poisoned itself into hating, not identifying with, or otherwise purity spiraling against. While I frequently defend Dissident Right beliefs on a given topic, today I thought it would be a fun bout of mental sparring to punch right on the Chuds that comprise most of my audience. I’ll do this by defending things that are not Le Cool anymore on the Right.
Tradwives
I think it’s so funny that this word has entered the mainstream lexicon. There’s a couple leftist girls from my university that screech about them a couple times a week on social media and every time they use the word “tradwife” it’s like the vine boom sound plays.
What is a tradwife? This is a term that has been colonized by disingenuous people (as we will get to). I’m defining a tradwife as a woman that voluntarily and consciously chooses to live in a traditional western manner: white, virgin, limited tattoos / makeup, some form of Christian, conservative clothing choices, voluntary submission to their husband, big families, and “traditionally feminine” hobbies and skills.
This one is so unbelievably destroyed by their modern representation that people have disavowed them as a whole. Who’s doing this destroying?
Mexicans playing with Dolljaks:
You’ve probably seen a thousand versions of this. I hate that it’s so obviously a Mexican playing dolls whenever these memes show up. First of all, they have these gay little checklists that are basically arbitrary. For example, Orthodoxy hasn’t been “trad” in the West since the Schism 1000 years ago and likely a couple centuries before that (Original church btw). So what are you larping as, a Greek? Greek tradwives are quite different from American 1950s tradwives. It’s not “trad” in the West to go to a Divine Liturgy. “Trad” doesn’t just mean “old”. Moreover, they are almost always impossible to satisfy. These Mexes hold out for some perfect (perfection derived from porn most of the time btw) woman to materialize into their favela and basically be their slave while they watch anime. Real women aren’t like that.
Typical Layne disclaimer: While not conventionally attractive, I have disproportionately large amounts of experience with women for someone of my appearance and thus feel qualified to speak about them with authority to incels or other bottom feeders. Some of you guys that are better looking / less autistic than me probably know more but whateva.
Real human beings make mistakes. Real human beings have periods in their life where they live in rebellion and do stupid things. Being unwilling to compromise shows that you are only really interested in your platonic ideal tradwife and not a real human being that fails, struggles, doesn’t live up to expectations, and other unfortunate aspects of the human condition. Mexicans: would you write off a “tradwife” candidate because she has a single tattoo? What is the grading criteria?
I say this to highlight that real human emotions are deep, confusing things. Everyone fails, everyone falls short, everyone makes mistakes. Saying that doesn’t excuse the permanent consequences of racking up 30 bodies in college, but I am saying that people can truly change. The “damaged goods” perspective that a lot of these Mexicans have is insane. They act as if someone who already represents 80% of what they want is an undesirable because they have a tattoo of a butterfly on their wrist or whatever. Very, very few women are going to satisfy this entire wish list Mexes concoct.
Oh yeah, and only a highly desirable mate is allowed to have these checklists. If you’re a 5’6 Honduran that struggled to pass high school algebra, you don’t get to just tell beautiful white women that they aren’t good enough for you. There’s like, 10% of guys that are conventionally attractive and accomplished enough to “make demands” of perspective white mates. Not that I’m saying chuds should end up with roasties, I’m saying a hint of self awareness of where you are on the totem pole typically kills off things like checklists.
Oh yeah, you’re also supposed to grow and change positively with your partner over time. It’s all about her foundation: her experiences, personality, spirituality, etc. Most of that stuff doesn’t change. She can easily learn how to sew or whatever after the fact, she can’t “learn” how to be kind to waiters or the importance of having an active spiritual life, that sort of thing.
If you can’t tell, I have a particular hatred for playing dolls with Tradwives.
I think part of it is the fact that Mexicans have some sort of residual “trad” expectations in their women from their Catholic roots, but it comes out in this really ghoulish, retarded manner that wasn’t even the real point of Tradwives. Like they expect their women to be subservient Tortas that have their beans and bread ready for them after a long shift of stealing construction tools and siestas before scuttling away to the corner to knit.
Fake Tradwives
There’s always an opportunity for female grifters to score a market niche by catering to the worst impulses and stereotypes that bottom-tier men create for themselves. Again, I discussed this during the anime post. Women do not act like anime women, except those on Twitter, Reddit, OnlyFans, etc. that will cater to every possible male anime fan assumption and outlandish request in an effort to create a saturated market of “real” anime women.
Well, the exact same thing happens with Tradwives. And conservative politics, among other things.
The “fake” tradwives come in two varieties in my experience:
Women just cheaply copying the aesthetics of a more traditional time period on a surface level (mostly harmless in my opinion):
And women that make content “for women” that is clearly targeting men, often by faking the tradwife lifestyle entirely:
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Note how this woman indulges every thought that she believes passes through the minds of men. “I should be treated like a king in my own castle!” “My woman should wait on me hand and foot, I deserve it!”. Even though she’s addressing women in the video, this is who she hopes is listening:
Now, some of these fake tradwives do market to women. I don’t have TikTok, but I’ve been informed by my network of agents on the app that “Nara Smith” is the most publicly known, most fake tradwife of them all. She’s also literally brown, which opens a conversation about what “trad” means that most TikTards aren’t ready for. Here’s a 10 minute video of some effeminate guy destroying her if you care to watch it:
This woman mocking Tiktard tradwives was actually pretty funny, although she overdoes it on the “Tradwives are slaves created by the patriarchy” bit which SHE GOT FROM INTERNET POISONING:
Despite their modern reputation, I still want a Tradwife of my own.
Ya, I still want a tradwife. I don’t want the Internet poisoned TikTok definition of a tradwife, but I still want one. I hope to become a high value man capable of finding a woman who is..
White (preferably of Northwestern European stock, as I am!)
Not obese
Not a slut
Limited / no tattoos
Some high-Church version of a Christian or willing to become Orthodox after researching /attending it independent of me. If she’s some sort of Nu Age religion (“I’m spiritual not religious xD”), a Muslim convert, some heinous Protestant denomination etc., and will never change that, I’m out. If I find an authentic, non-retarded pagan woman I suppose I’d cross that bridge when I come to it.
Reasonably willing to listen to me if I ask her to. Not a Tiktard slave, not ignoring the role that male authority plays in a healthy relationship and marriage.
Interested or already skilled in the homesteading lifestyle
Willing to run our hobby farm of perhaps 10-15 acres as a part/full time job while I have a job.
Willing to give me as many children as we can reasonably accommodate (more on that below)
I think this is a pretty reasonable slate that I would not call a checklist. I’m not sitting there grading potential for homesteading, its more finding out if that’s something she’d ever seriously consider. For me, it’s about finding someone suitable to grow with. It’s about sharing a vision more than waiting for someone that is already a complete product to spawn into my life. I want someone who “gets it” for why growing our own food or whatever is important. That doesn’t mean we can’t just go get a pizza 10-20% of the time, or she can’t drink Starbucks coffee, or have friends and hobbies outside me. Hopefully, I am articulating the difference between my “standards” and the Mexican “checklist”. Honestly, my standards are just “normal girl from 50 years ago” which I (and most white men) am valuable enough to reasonably demand. I’d take a girl that’s interested in homesteading, where Mexicans only consider women that are already everything they want like a shopping list. Mexicans are also largely incapable of high level abstract thinking, meaning they would struggle with the idea of a real life woman who doesn’t want to be a dolljak 24/7.
Christianity
My little autism screed for Orthodoxy is coming, don’t worry. Today, I’m just referencing Christianity in general, meaning any qualified denomination that adheres to the Nicene Creed counts. Catholics, you are just squeaking by…
This is a moment of reckoning for Pagans, Atheists, and anyone else who is ardently anti-Christianity but pro-West. Like it or not, Christianity has been the leading spirituality of the West for over a thousand years. In many parts, it’s been over a thousand. One thing that irritates me is when people handwave Christianity on grounds that “something older exists”. Don’t get me wrong, I love history and tradition. But, I don’t agree with the idea that “older = always better” as some axiomatic law. Simply citing something that predates Christianity isn’t “being connected to your ancestors” more or whatever, it’s referencing the (almost exclusively Christian recorded and maintained, especially post 100AD) historical record- no more and no less.
You don’t have to be a Christian. But, I think the bare minimum for someone who “truly appreciates the West” is at least tolerating it. You really don’t even have to respect it. There are Dissident Right-ers that critique Christianity all the time. More than any other religion in history, Christianity has been a religion of Empiricism and rationality- perhaps even to its own detriment by spawning the secularizing Enlightenment. Since the day of the Resurrection, Christians have been asked to prove it. Prove that Jesus was who He said He was, prove that the Resurrection occurred, prove that God is a Triune Being, etc. Remember, there was a time in the West where the academic consensus was that matter is eternal. It was Christian Cosmology that demonstrated otherwise.
Christianity was, pretty much inarguably imo, a good thing for the West. It took the West to new heights that were basically impossible under the folk religions of old. Now, the typical anti-Christian response to a statement like this is to hop up and down pointing at Roman aqueducts or whatever. When that happens, I never miss an opportunity to drop this Truke:
”Why do we call the whole world's attention to the fact that we have no past? It's bad enough that the Romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potsherd and stone ax he finds. All we prove by that is that we were still throwing stone hatchets and crouching around open fires when Greece and Rome had already reached the highest stage of culture. We really should do our best to keep quiet about this past. Instead Himmler makes a great fuss about it all. The present-day Romans must be having a laugh at these revelations.”
-Adolf Hitler
Moreover, pointing at architecture is a good polemic because it’s a concrete (teehee) image that makes for a good example. But, civilization is more than architecture (note that in some anti-Christian circles, “civilization” is a bad word. Not sure how they square this with the advanced (for their time) pre-Christian Greeks and Romans). Christians absolutely dominated in basically every field when compared to their Pagan counterparts. Medicine, metallurgy, music, warfare, farming, animal husbandry, invention in general, mathematics, philosophy, theology, biology, really anything you could study in a university (a Christian invention) either originated entirely from Christians or was greatly enhanced by legions of Christian scholars across centuries. This sort of thing just doesn’t happen in tribal communities with oral tradition. It also didn’t happen too often in Le Greek and Roman civilizations. Here’s an easy example:
"Let's study astronomy by means of problems, as we do in geometry, and leave the things in the sky alone."
-Plato
As I’ve written before, only Christians believed that the Universe and all within it was rationally ordered, intentionally, by a Creator. The prevailing view in the time of the Greeks (and Romans, to a lesser extent) is that the Universe was eternal, random, and effectively at the whim of gods who were themselves erratic and often outright hostile to humanity. This often gets played off as a “cold reality” to the “hugbox” of a loving Christian God, but I think it really just retarded (teehee) the Greeks and Romans’ efforts to improve their civilization. Easy example: the Romans basically outright refused to incorporate cavalry into their armies. This was even after being repeatedly shown how devastating cavalry is against their own massed, unguarded infantry formations for like 500 years. Instead, they later (begrudgingly) contracted out some cavalry from neighboring or tributary states which typically contributed quite little to the overall results of a battle. They also frequently deserted or switched sides. This is the intellectual effort a civilization that was paralyzed in time, for the most part. Note that the later Christian “eastern Romans” (Byzantines) were famous for their heavy cavalry cataphracts. Christian Western Europeans spec’d into heavy cavalry as well, developing institutions like Chivalry to ingrain this improvement into their culture. This culminated in heavy, strong, well armored knights on well-bred warhorses crashing into the light-horse cavalry of the Arabs during the First Crusade, basically instantly vaporizing them until they reverted back to skirmisher tactics. A comparative Roman army would’ve been driven into the sea.
Pointing this out doesn’t mean I hate the Romans and Greeks, or think they were stupid, or whatever else. I respect them and their contributions, even truly love parts of their civilizations. I’m 5 feet away from a copy of the Iliad as I write this. I ask for the same level of respect and admiration for Christianity from those who are truly pro-West. Europeans clearly chose Christianity over paganism and atheism, time and time again, for centuries. You might not like that, you might even have (mostly false) theories about Le secret pagans, but you have to accept that hundreds and hundreds of millions of Europeans chose to be Christians.
Big Families
I don’t know why this is something people on the Dissident Right have purity spiraled into. I hear it all the time:
“I’m going to have one son and raise him to be my successor”
“Europeans have always been outnumbered”
“We don’t breed like rats the way the Indians do”
“Having big families is dysgenic” (Lmao)
“You can’t raise children properly when you have too many”
*various allusions to black single mothers and welfare*
I grew up in a big family (7), so I do have some experience in this realm. Having a big family is wonderful. For mom and dad, they get to see many shades of themselves appear in their children. For example, my handwriting is almost a perfect mix between my mother and father. They get many hands to make light work for maintaining the house, garden etc. It’s also just a joy to watch lots of little kids grow up playing together, reading together, etc.
This one is pretty subjective, I just know that I liked growing up in a big family. I liked having many siblings to play with, and I could move between them if one didn’t want to go fishing or was mad at me or whatever. Yes, it was chaotic at times. But, I consider the juice worth the squeeze. From a pragmatic point of view, having many kids ensures someone survives into adulthood, you have someone to take care of you as you age (an important aspect of “filial piety”), the upfront cost decreases with each kid (meaning that stopping at one is a poor ROI).
Having huge families is also just an American trait. I’m an American, and I love traditional American culture.
As a disclaimer, I don’t believe in spamming children. I think you should have as many as you can afford, and that includes the proper attention for each individual child. My parents made it work with 5 kids, but I could see how many more after that means that the older siblings effectively raise the smaller ones. I don’t want that.
Capitalism
This is another word that gets maligned by Internet poisoning. “Capitalism” is a system where the means of production are owned privately. As in, not by the government. If you’re in favor of anything at all not being held publicly, you’re at least partly pro Capitalism. Yes, this definition extends into history as well. There was “proto-Capitalism” that emerged in the Middle Ages, more refinement in the Protestant reformation, and then basically a fully fleshed out system by the time that guys like Adam Smith came along.
People love to cry about capitalism today. They’ll point at a homeless guy and say that capitalism did is responsible. Again, we will get to this. Before we get any further, here’s some graph spam depicting some of the good global capitalism has done:
Capitalism has lifted untold billions out of abject poverty. When allowed, it replaced the publicly owned, despotic industries of Africa and Asia with high paying, upward mobility generating jobs. This can seem counter-intuitive. After all, what about muh suicide nets at the Apple factories? Well, the short of it is that any factory job provided by a Western company is probably something worth murdering over. Getting paid $5 a day to sew poop emoji pillows was a big deal in places like Southeast Asia (Bangladesh), Sub-Saharan Africa, etc.
When most people cry about capitalism, they’re really crying about free markets. Free markets are epic and I’m sad that we haven’t had an even moderately free market in the last 50 years or so.
Every transaction in a free market is voluntary. You take jobs that value your labor more or less exactly what it’s worth, or you find a competitor who will. This is why minimum wage used to be called a “labor value ceiling”, because anyone who couldn’t produce value equal to to minimum wage was going to be unemployed for life. For example, if they raise the minimum wage to $15, anyone who cannot generate that amount goes on welfare forever or breaks the law by weeding gardens for $6 in cash. Alternatively, free markets act as “auctions” for value. Let’s say your labor is worth $100. If Company A offers to pay you $50, Company B can simply offer $51 and win your labor. This bidding war continues until the final product is you’re probably going to end up getting paid something like $95.
Yes, this is a PragerU video, but it does a really good job explaining why minimum wages are bad. Note that the biggest shills for increased minimum wages are big corporations like Walmart, because they can run at higher operating costs while vacuuming up the market share from places that can’t: local businesses.
I’m zooming in on minimum wage because there’s effectively no good arguments for its existence and its a clearcut example of why free markets are always better. People take a job that pays $7.5 an hour because they do not believe they can find one that pays $8. In a free market, the guy earning $7.5 an hour gains skills, connections, and experience that makes his labor more valuable. In a centrally planned economy, that guy just joins the breadline.
Note that what we have today is some mixture of Oligarchy and Corporatism skinsuiting as Capitalism. Ironically, this has some overlap with the fascist, corporatist economy so many of you guys want. Not so appealing when the Brownshirts are actually brownskins using the state to beat opponents into submission, is it?
I'm not a lolbert. But, I think that most things are better privately owned.
I can’t find the meme, but everyone has seen the picture of the ripped Aryan guy labeled fascism and the obese retard labeled capitalism. This is an almost perfect inversion of the truth: Capitalism is a jungle where predators devour prey. Only the strongest, leanest, and most capable organizations survive competition. There is an evolutionary pressure to adapt and survive not unlike biological Darwinism. This is why DEI and other such nonsense has to exist: meritocracies ( a white idea) clearly benefit whites.
Obligatory Ron Swanson picture:
America
Much like Capitalism, America today is not what it once was. When I say I love America, I love the America of old. The land of yeoman farmers, industrious individualists, a million iterations on Christianity, innovation, universities, small towns across a continent-sized ocean of forests, mountains, lakes, and plains. It’s the land of country chapels, elk hunting, baseball (and a general love of sport that I share), and a voracious appetite of the Classics. I took a road trip throughout the US this summer, 20 states, and it only reinforced that I love America-proper. Maybe I’ll make a post about it.
Overall, I think highly of the Founding Fathers. I think they were highly intelligent, amazingly well-read and educated, and the system they created was-for a time- the best in the world. I would even offer the “Big 3” of Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, and Ben Franklin as contenders for Top 10 Humans of All Time. George is probably the best candidate.
The premise of America, safeguarding citizenship but offering unparalleled freedoms to its citizens, is so interesting. Making a system with checks and balances, where you can tell an officer of the state to fuck off if he doesn’t have a warrant (and not a “general warrant” of the British Empire), is so interesting. The Founders clearly drew on Ancient Greek and Roman Republican traditions, but they made some changes to it (in the Anglo spirit) that I love. Still, our definition of, say, the “militia” in the 2nd Amendment, comes straight from Ancient Greece. No, they didn’t just resurrect ancient Athens. They took the structure of it and created something that would work for a pan-European diaspora in a country the size of Europe. The idea of a state fashioned after the Ancients with a healthy scoop of English law and heritage gets me ROCK SOLID!!!
Overall, I just love the America of like 1750-1975. Yes, I love America the colony as well. It wouldn’t have worked, as Americans did have a very different culture from their English cousins: more rugged, more self reliance, more freedom in the true sense of the word. Yeah, I love our unique American traditions and culture. Not sure how else to explain it. I just wouldn’t cut it in Europe, I am an American in the archetype of guys like Teddy Roosevelt, characters like Indiana Jones. I love that we have yacht sailing in New England and dog sledding in Alaska in the same country. I love that our sports teams are the best in the world.
I love that there was a time that we basically invented everything. Hell, we patented patents.
We ran the planet for, like, 150 years. In some ways, we still do today. For better or worse (trending towards worse), the entire world has been remade in our image. Like, there’s now an expectation that a thief in Morocco gets a fair trial because of us. How will we go down in history? A footnote? A light burning twice as bright for half as long? We were certainly special.
Yes, America aged poorly. I’m talking about the America of old, the romantic, mostly (though not entirely) white America of yore. I think there’s some internet poisoning where retards think that America is a “third world country with a Gucci belt” or “third world country with a strong military” or other nonsense. In reality, Americans are still quite wealthy, especially compared to the rest of the world. Yes, that includes the EU.
And ya, our military is the greatest fighting force in human history and probably will be until the day America collapses.
Go read de Tocqueville’s writeup of America as he saw it long ago. That’s where I want to live.
Le sigh..
I couldn’t tell you much about economic theory, but commerce and good trade are absolutely vital to a healthy society. Whatever system is in place should encourage these things. People in the online right often get too bogged down exclusively in social issues. But your average epic king from days of yore would often be pondering in his mind if his trade venture to Muscovy or Byzantium or the Indies would bring him a return on investment!
What about democracy? Do you think that the dissident right has poisoned the concept of democracy? Recently I’ve found myself disagreeing with myself about democracy being le bad or le good. It’s probably responsible for the state America is in today but also I think it’s pretty un-individualistic and bug person brained of me to not want to have some say in the goings on of my country, even if it’s small and kind of meaningless to vote.